Kup's Show

how do you do i'm irv cups in it moderator of cups show dedicated to the lively art of conversation ours is a free-wheeling informal type of discussion show in which we invite some of the most interesting people in the world who participate they represent all walks of life and they engage freely in the final art of conversation in the give-and-take of controversial conversation we put together a few samples of our shows of our recent shows i should say so that you can get some idea of the breadth and the scope of our guests and the range of topics that develop in the course of their conversation one of our recent segments we invited a group of authors to sit in and hugh hefner the publisher of playboy magazine joined uh somebody noted you were saying that you would really like to get married and find the right girl and get married well the quote was in time magazine it said that it was a saturday evening post um concept it said but what i actually said which was accurately quoted was that i would like i would be more interested in the next ten years in meeting a girl and falling in love and having her fall in love with me and making another hundred million dollars now that quotes correct it didn't mention marriage per se are you against marriage are you in the uh field of those who believe you can live together and without the blessing of marriage often much more happily yes [Music] saying as you know your famous quote that marriage and romance are deadly enemies you laid that on me the last time i was here i don't remember that quote you said that but uh many years ago i don't think they're deadly enemies by any means i think that marriage is an important institution and um uh you know rather particularly essential where children are concerned uh and i think many people are happily married and um some people can be happily single you made a statement joe that you're not out to prove yourself in everything you do you don't have that compulsive desire i have a desire to fulfill myself uh the reason i said that is i think i when i was more successful than i am now had the reputation of being the world's leading egomaniac that i wanted to be the best baseball player and the best hockey player and the best painter and the best writer and the best composer and the best actor and best director and it's a whole lot of nonsense i just do things that i enjoy doing and i try to do them as well as i can i and object and i'm on my knees before other people's talent uh i worship talent i have no uh i'm jealous of somebody who i think is rotten getting good notices when somebody i think is wonderful gets good notices i i i cry with joy for them and for my privilege of having seen their work and it's just a suggestion to you would you get a print of cyrano and any time you feel that way run it for yourself because i have never once seen it that it does not crack me apart that's not his reaction i've never seen him when he has done a job that wasn't surprising i agree with that but joe has a peculiar reaction to the thing that you admire so much oh exactly you don't like fairness when you when you do something when you do something that perfectly how can you ever feel bad about it he didn't do it as well as he thought he could do i shouldn't put the words well but i think it was contributed to a lot of things i had done the production on broadway and i had uh mixed feelings about the broadway production i felt that lemaire scenery and costumes were the work of a man of genius and i thought that i had produced and directed the play with considerable courage and flamboyance and theatricality honestly and done good theatrical things as a director i felt that as a result or possibly for other reasons i was never as good as cyrano as i was capable of being and should have been so i had that little reservation but the show was a hit and people enjoyed it and i was young and doing something rather outrageous for a young man in his early thirties to produce and direct the classic and starring the two and i got away with it when i saw the movie the movie was timid the movie was frightened uh the great courageous stanley cramer mr judgeo himself and carl foreman and everybody else uh copped out as they always do and there was a movie that said uh well we're going to do it but we're not going to do it and we're going to be brave but we better be careful let's not be too brave and uh i saw the picture once at the preview i thought it violated everything that cyrano himself stood for and i left the theater badly shook up i didn't speak to stanley for several years and i've never seen the pictures you had no voice in the cutting and the thing that put the picture together i was reminded every day that i was uh a stage actor and the films were different but i didn't understand the camera you see there's a whole mystery about one's own little gig and as long as you can keep it mysterious you can feel a little better than the poor guy who knows much more oh how brilliant sid uh i know that you love nassau you intend to live there i remember reading once that your mother saw a picture there for the first or second time she saw a movie which you were being slugged by richard woodmark yeah and there's a story true that she got up and said hit him back baby hit him back yes she did my mother was not accustomed to going to movies you see uh my mother and i lived on a on an island with the rest of the family called cat island and there were no movie houses no stores no just fishing and farming you see as a matter of fact when we first went to to nassau my mother we were approaching nassau on a small boat a sailboat first time i was 11 years old and i saw automobiles for the first time and from the distance they looked like bugs running up and down the island and i asked her what were they and she said i don't know and as we got closer she said they look like cars and they were indeed cars you know she we walked by a uh an ice cream parlor i had never tasted ice cream in my life you were 11 years old yeah and she bought a cone for me and a cone for herself and she told me what it was but naturally i had no frame of reference so i bit into it like because it looked like mashed potatoes and when i bit into it and i got a hold of my teeth yeah it frightened me i was panicked so it is that background my mother came out of your father i came away ultimately and i wound up in motion pictures my mother remained in that kind of environment all her life so when the first film i did reached nassau my mother having not been going to the movies was introduced uh was invited by the people and she went and she sat there and she she did a very human thing she sat there and she looked at it and she began to relate to me as if i was really in the same room with her and then richard whitmar took a crack at me and that angered her and she says hit him back what does it always say get up you think the president was upset because of the committee or a group you're associated with that urged the withdrawal of our troops starting very shortly sort of a unilateral withdrawal whether the north vietnamese correspond or not well there's some rather informed speculation that the president may be getting ready to recommend that himself that we withdraw a certain number of uh troops without regard to what the other side does i frankly hope we follow that course i think that's the only way we're going to bring this uh war to an end i don't know whether the reports are well founded that we'll get some kind of troop reductions following the midway conference but i hope they are that doesn't mean that we're all for uh isolationism it means that we're trying to take a more careful look at the role of the united states uh in world affairs to determine whether it's in our national interest and in the interest of world peace for us to continue on this course that uh has taken us so uh deeply into the affairs of southeast asia let me just say for myself i believe very strongly in the united nations i believe in the peace corps i believe in the food for peace program and other forms of technical and economic assistance i'm a strong backer of the alliance for progress in latin america an area which we've tragically neglected in recent years now those are not the marks of an isolationist the same would be true with the senator fulbright the author of the fulbright fellowship and scholarship program that has sent young people all over the world and has brought others to this country these are not isolationist qualities it's a question of how we can best approach our role in the world and let's not start throwing these labels around when we may raise some questions about the present policies robin is the author of the green berets you have a different feeling about vietnam i presume don't you yes i of course do uh having spent two combat tours so to speak over there i know from firsthand of the demoralizing effect of some of the speeches made in the senate a very good friend of mine was a prisoner of the vietcong for five years he escaped about three or four months ago major row you may have heard about him and major row is uh hard at work now writing uh the book the story of his uh incarceration by the uh communist viet cong and the most devastating weapon used against him which broke all the other men down they uh defected in a way and were released he was the only one that was not released he escaped where the senate speeches read over and over again by senator mcgovern senator fulbright senator robert kennedy these speeches were read to them and if they would say yes i agree with this and sign it they would have been released from the prison camps morrow was the only one that refused to sign well you took them four years being used well this is one of the uh byproducts of a free society we can't silence uh free expression of opinion in this country merely because it's misused by the communists abroad if we start dictating our conduct in this country on the basis of what reactions are going to be by the communist enemy abroad we are in sad shape and i i just hope that this country never becomes so blindly involved in a conflict abroad that we think it's worth sacrificing freedom here at home but what my point was is that our grandmothers and all their mothers uh of the past found a good deal of satisfaction in housework and housework was a very demanding thing women in the old days were the industrialists of society they did all the weaving all the spinning all the processing of the food all the cooking all the sewing uh they ran nurseries the home was a hospital it was an old people's rest home the housewife of old was a very busy person as the bible noted her price was far above rubies uh well we're owing to the technological revolution she has been become unemployed who washes the baby's diapers now a laundry company who processes the foods manufacturers and she has lost a good deal of esteem for housewifely attainments and in fact she doesn't have to have them to get a husband so consequently i said that at a moment when women are free of housework a lot much more free than they were in the past not all together free but much more free to study to enter the professions uh to earn their own living at this very moment an unfortunate thing has happened and that is the takeover of women by the advertising world which is turning her at the very moment when she could be concerning herself with being a person into becoming a sex object in fact uh the television is doing to the ordinary woman what the movies did only to the stars in times past but isn't it possible that part of it is that we just live in a more outspoken society that our grandparents did not discuss sex in public in other words this is all for instance this discussion that we have here with naming sex even 10 12 years ago he wouldn't have committed it on the show it is easy we talk freer but basically is is there really so much difference between a woman who washes the laundry in a modern washer and dryer which is easier but she still is concerned with it or has a more modern kitchen but still older housework which is easier it is also easier to ride in an automobile than to keep horses you see everything is easier because of technological uh achievement but still i think that sex and all that is just being discussed more than before but it was always there i'm afraid out of that you don't perhaps you do realize the enormous implications and consequences of uh you've been discussing the industrial revolution the consequences of the contraceptive revolutions are going to be true but it couldn't be stopped with everything i didn't say i wanted no but i mean but couldn't we look for the best in it now for instance it is true that women you know we are the best weavers and the best cooks but women wanted to stop that discrimination you know it is now possible easier than before for a woman to become a lawyer in other words years past i try to interrupt you not too successfully may i know easily first of all i love to listen to you much more than even to listen to myself my husband used to say to me all the time dear will you stop talking while i'm interrupting behold do you have any uh concern about doing political jokes now in view of the cbs attitude or tommy smothers you don't feel that no anything will happen at nbc there'll be competition i don't think so i don't know about anybody you give a lot of inspiration to other comedians whether you know this or not by your ability to take off on these big figures another comedian say bob hope can do it why can't we do it you know that's good for them as a matter of fact it's more uh if i might interject here cup it's it's more than inspiration it's uh a license i don't know if you want want that but it's true bob uh really it's a license then i can always if i ever have any difficulty i can always say hey look you know and then lay it underneath that's the climate blame the whole thing well i i don't want to be the the only tommy smothers yeah well let's i want to ask you about that tommy smothers remark which was widely circulated he said they won't let me he said in effect i'm paraphrasing because no one can imitate his style i have to be derivative he said he said it depends what side of the war you're on he said bob hope can be uh on his side of the war but i can't speak on my side of the war did you hear any of that some of that yeah i heard that i don't think i don't think that that got him in trouble i think a lot of other things got him in trouble i i think these kids were so great i really do i think the smothers boys brought a new kind of an approach to comedy i love the two guys talking together and their biplayer i thought they were funny their timing was cute but they got into a thing where they kind of convinced the public that they were anti-country you know there's a fine line we are we have we enjoy a great thing of of kidding our country and ribbing on telling anything we want about the country but once they get the idea that you're anti-country look out you know and i'm afraid that this is what happened to the boys and it's a it's a shame because they're so i i hope they get back and i hope they straighten out and do great because uh they bring a lot i think they bring a lot of entertainment to you you walk that fine line very carefully because here you would play golf with the former late president eisenhower then you'd be on the air kidding him about his golf game well that's simple that's nothing they love that what you know now you say look at nixon now nixon's playing he said and they would gleason he hit it right down the middle but that's how he got elected penny would i be you in saying that winning an oscar is the biggest achievement you've made in the motion picture industry or the greatest recognition yeah yes uh i was in shock because i certainly wasn't favored to win well how come you had your speech all set all i said was thank you he cried a lot why yeah now you're back with fred cole yes directed you in that picture now with me madly you have a reunion with me yeah i've never worked with him as a director before and he's really marvelous it's only the second film he's ever directed and i'm sure you've all experienced it there on some films or in some shows that you do a great chemistry and others it's you know kind of you just do your whatever you do and this was one of those moments where the chemistry was incredible from everyone involved with the film and it was really exciting to do it's a very interesting story natalie this little girl who can't get a date and yeah makes believe she has a date yeah it's very interesting it's not war and peace but i think it's a very valid story to tell the many problems raging in our society is whether to teach about sex in our public schools i think a recent survey by mr gallup showed that 71 percent of the public favored such teachings and that the national education association and the american medical association both endorsed it but reverend fing combiner you have completely different feelings about the teaching of sex in public schools not completely different i think you misunderstood my statement i said i am in agreement with sex education in the schools sensibly presented under biblical government i would like to ask you reverend i mean what is the uh what's the fear of of sex education i really i can't understand that i um it's the same as is is is wanting to know uh about the stars i want to know about uh ancient greek literature i i just don't i don't understand the fear i ask you how much time have you spent the holy scriptures well i i couldn't tell you what was this moses moses wrote a law given him by god and in it he used these terms discreetly and didn't have to name them out all of a sudden though our culture seems to comes to a position where we've got to be uh frank bold uh crass about it well that's not what could moses do it how could moses do it and we can't well i'm not that's i'm not talking about what moses said in the scriptures i'm talking about what is the fear i mean if if if it means that children can walk into a classroom and come out of it with more knowledge than they had before they went into it what's the fear against it tony you and bob have something in common robert q was one of the great art collectors and your father was an art dealer was he not yes he was i didn't know that did you have uh did you uh inherit your father's love of art are you a collector now i'm a collector now but at the time the time i lived with my father i was so against my father that that i couldn't you didn't like your parents i gather from you like my mother you didn't cry at her funeral you didn't say you didn't like your father all my father's loves are now my loves uh he was he was insane about the opera for instance and i when i was a young man i just you couldn't drag me to the opera and now i found out it's pretty good and maybe he was right and i wasn't interested in anything that hung on a wall because my father sold paintings and now that's my life looking at paintings isn't it yeah that's right i just resisted it for so long yeah that's not unusual you know that's the common story is he still alive no no he died when i was 19. what about the art world today let me ask you first you had known pablo picasso you visited him as i recall some time ago what's your expert opinion on the castle sculpture in chicago i told you that i like that very much i know chicago sometimes doesn't much react you know what it is oh darling who cares you know it's it's a mistake to say you like it you don't like picasso you don't like the grand canyon you don't like these miracles of nature he's a miracle of civilization you don't like it whether you don't even judge it you're lucky to be in the same era with such a man tony's right absolutely right uh there'll never be another picasso there never there's never been one before he's the most miraculous man in the art world today why is unique totally unique every concept is is something that is beyond the the can of any uh living artist or sculptor the guy is are you that far ahead of the restaurant oh yeah way he was every time he did everything the rest of them caught up 25 years later but in any case it's as if someone took the alphabet and threw it away and made up a new alphabet better and the rest of the world just had to learn to read it because it was better he reinvented painting what about the television industry you've taken some pretty strong positions about television not doing the job it should be doing that it's not as meaningful as it should be as a profession as an industry that's true several years ago wally cox said i think television is taking a year off and uh i think i think i think the apollo mission proved what television could do that's television in my opinion television entertainment i think is um is it drear an unweeded garden as hamlet said why do you say that it just bores me so that there's i find nothing to watch she uh i'm sorry i'm going to really look tony i agree with a lot of what you're saying but i'm going to have to defensively take the other side you show me a day's listings of television programs in any city any city and i will show you at least five solid hours of good entertainment and possibly even destructive yeah most of it will be movies i think not necessarily but it's not television that's my point talk show now what is television what is it i think sports are television sports on television yes oh yes well you're talking about dramatics i'm talking about television doing something the way it did in the early days when it investigated new fields of of uh of entertainment now it's just all canned stuff and repeats no it's not quite so there are lots of live shows lots of talk shows well don't you like a show like uh laughing let's take something in the entertainment world that is very popular that's the most gratifying of course laughing is no more than an updated hell's apartment whatever it is but it's still i find the most delightful uh advance in television comedy i wish i thought of that what a that's a great show well that's a brief look at the various and different facets of the new cups show i'm irv cups in it and i trust you'll be with us when we next get together i guarantee you it'll be an exciting experience