Haunted Classroom - AV Geeks @Hunt Library (10-30-2020)

welcome to av geeks at the hunt library again not at the hunt library i'm jason evans growth digital media librarian for the learning spaces and services department at nc state university um this is our 12th semester of this series which partners ncsu folks with raleigh's av geeks to discuss vintage educational and classroom films and we have made it to the end of our 12th semester welcome to av geeks and whoa yeah i get to hear myself in perpetuity there um we have made it to the end of our semester uh it's too bad that this show isn't the beginning of the 13th semester you know what i mean but whatever um thanks for hanging out with us this fall as a little background skip alzheimer who will be our host tonight is the founder of av geeks and an nc state alum he has been for the last several decades i threw several in there instead of fugues i think several sounds cooler um he's been collecting film made throughout the last century mostly 16 millimeter educational training and other sorts of how-to movies uh as always he does an amazing job sharing them with the world and currently houses over 36 000 such films at the av geeks archive here in raleigh sharing them as stock footage for films and exhibits as research material and during public events like this so it's just about halloween and today's theme is the haunted classroom we're very excited to welcome the biggest group of guests we've ever had for an av geeks the libraries event all of whom are english masters students in the film concentration let's meet him right now mckinley keener hi ben barkley hello everyone susie headley julia ray hello tara joe leonards hi maddie lloyd hello and cameron allison howdy nice i was waiting for the howdy a quick reminder that over 200 of av geeks compilations are available for check out from the libraries and you can also visit avgeeks.com look for av geeks in youtube or at archive.org to find more films like the ones you're about to see for now i want to hand it over to skip and the entire class that we have with us thank you jason um and i'm very excited for tonight's show uh because the these films i'm showing i i gave a list um their i guess your advisor marcia gordon um said yes i would would you love to work with my grad students and i said yes this would be great i'd always love an opportunity to present my films and let them curate um and so this is a really amazing thing i did throw in a ringer though there was one film that i wanted to really show which i kind of said you don't have a choice you have to show this one but um the other two were ones that they picked um and so these are originated on 16 millimeter they were shown in classrooms and uh the first one we're going to watch is the mannequin and um who wants to start talking about that go thanks skip um okay i'm just going to say a few things about the mannequin it is the first film we're going to be watching um it was released in 1977 in canada uh just a very quick synopsis it is about a folk musician named simone who returns home after the death of her mother um and then right afterwards she starts to experience uh a series of spooky happenings both psychological and physical this film was directed by don thompson not a whole lot of information available about this director he um mostly produced or created a tv series uh in the realm of documentary educational work sometimes geared towards children and this was in the mid to late 70s but the mannequin itself was based on a short story a written story called the mannequin which was first published in 1937 um in an issue of a horror fiction pulp magazine called weird tales uh hp loves crap hp love crafts work also was published in that magazine who uh this writer worked with and that writer is robert block um robert block also wrote the screenplay or wrote psycho the book which uh hitchcock's psycho was based off of and that was in yeah the 30s but that's just a little bit of information and now joe is going to take over uh um just a little bit of background context on the the film and the actors within um forgive me if i'm nervous sorry um so um the mannequin along with two other films titled the island and um mrs amworth which we'll be viewing later on make up a trilogy called three dangerous ladies um and in this trilogy each film narrative features a woman who willingly or unwillingly spreads evil um which is interesting um and maybe we can talk about that later um and then um the actors are ronnie blakely who came to prominence as the fictional country superstar barbara jean in um the classic satirical musical ensemble nashville if any of you are fans um and care delia um he had his breakthrough in 2001 the space odyssey the kubrick film um yeah and uh that's pretty much all i have to say about the actors and as much context as i want to give you before we watch the film and a little bit more about um the distribution and some really interesting uh background stuff uh maddie will explain so thanks for listening so uh the theme for these films is the haunted classroom so each of these films has a sort of educational context to that or to them and so i wanted to kind of address that so the mannequin was part of a series called classic stark and dangerous that was meant to be sort of an educational tool and so the purpose of the educational aspect is that it was intended to teach students how to be active viewers and how to critically engage with film and television media teaching them to like analyze and think critically and seek an understanding of the film and also to inform them on how to recognize the formal elements and the behind the scenes work that goes on in filmmaking and television production and the like and um another interesting thing is that suzy touched on is that um many of the films in the classic stark and dangerous were based on short stories by popular authors such as robert block so yeah all right are we ready to watch this this this film is is crazy uh i had not actually seen it until um you guys picked it and uh yeah it does not disappoint so here is the mannequin [Music] so [Music] you stay for the [Music] is [Music] [Music] and i'm [Music] [Applause] [Music] uh she's gone i'm sorry so [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] she's [Applause] [Music] miss smith is there anyone else in the house only your doctor said dear i see perhaps it was the captaincy one [Music] thank you doctor simon surely you would like some of your mother's things let's get out of here perhaps uh at the funeral we could discuss i won't be at the funeral well then uh someday next week when you're free miss smith can't you get it through your head that i don't intend to see you or this house ever again [Music] you must be thinking i'm not a very nice person i'm thinking you were brought up in a very odd house [Music] i'm sorry i couldn't do anything about your mother it was just too late if she were conscious she would never allow the medical person to be there what did you do when she was elbow miss smith took care of her she had her own type of medicine herbs garlic chants you wouldn't believe the strange things they used to do to me they'd hold what you might call failures at night and wake me and force me to participate in them i was just a child very scared aunt rosa came you know mother sister and she saw what was happening [Music] and somehow she got me out of there oh look after the hers [Music] are you a pain it comes in it goes i think i'm just tired wired tense it's been a heavy day and trouble sleeping i have a big session tomorrow too i'll get you a hustle relax thank you very much [Music] i need a new sunrise [Music] [Music] didn't you hear that hear what oh i'm sorry gerald that's it for today well it says here you're a very healthy girl i'm gonna pass you on to a friend a shrink i can recommend david priestley in the field of psychology okay doctor anybody who's good enough for you is fine by me no argument no he usually has lunch around this time and his office is down the hall here's the one thanks what do you feel just before the pain hit you it comes suddenly like a surprise matter of fact maybe even when you're feeling good you think you uh deserve to feel good no thanks to the pickles doctor yes to the feel good i think i do you think you're being punished for it i don't think so do you think that i should be punished for it the very first time that you felt the pain in your back um can you remember what you were feeling then really but i was leaving this house a death house that i never wanted to go back to in a woman i don't want to see you again which one you mean your mother no miss smith now your mother died yes you haven't seen her for 15 years that's right now you just told me that you didn't want to go to her funeral yeah and that you told her best friend that you never wanted to see her again yes i know you feel his relief i think i see what you're getting at my mother never left me i couldn't forgive her for it and i could never let her in return and maybe because of that guilt i have the pain is that what you're trying to say doctor you sure you won't have that pickle no thanks doctor [Music] hello hello hello so glad to see that your personal therapy is working here and the doctor you know that i'm a pragmatist if it's uh if it works it's good i've never never on my off hours doctor i can't thank you enough for your recommendations thank you i've never felt better she's terrific you have to meet here david i have a surprise for you you do yeah what is it [Music] i know you're coming [Music] and while you're working so in your seats [Music] [Music] i need i need a new [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] is [Music] that should keep her out for a couple of hours [Music] no didn't he no he promised to take i think important thing is to realize that uh most people uh or at least half the world weren't really and hello listen simone would you mind coming back in about five minutes sucker snake you lied to me you lead her a dozen just blood i warned you [Music] [Music] i think she's headed for that house how do i get there [Music] [Laughter] [Music] have a nice stadium and cinnamon cakes without i don't know how you like them a little milk and a tiny bit of sugar is that right here you look lovely here [Music] really ah such a pleasant time of year don't you find please turning falling must the winter come so soon there's a pleasant kind of chill in the air the leaves are dead drink your tea now it gets darker and darker every night you called her chilly he's like chilly we're like a fire later we never really did lose contact with you you do know that don't you well then i think it's about time don't you is [Music] the [Music] push up [Music] so oh [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] oh [Music] [Music] [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] so [Music] uh i'm sorry to drop by without phoning first but there was no listing for this address we have no phone i uh i'm looking for simone the galore my name's dave previously oh yes a doctor uh yes that's right i'm also from nursing oh yes i'll tell her you're here please call me [Music] [Applause] [Music] wonder you have a friend here to see you hi david i think the point is how are you i'm fine thank you hi well you seemed a bit upset this morning i'm sorry i apologize i really was rude may i get you some coffee no thank you simone why are you talking that means that to me i don't know what you mean well you're treating me like a stranger like there's nothing between us there isn't i came too professionally but i'm better now simone you're not better doctor i don't wish to demean you you have no idea who i am how i am or what i am why are you angry with me you're hurting me so please that are you making us fat i always knew you would eventually but i thought you'd show a little more finesse if you need me you know where i am goodbye david don't come back just don't [Music] leaving for you [Music] hello paul look i'm at the house someone's here i've seen her now the hysteria seems to have gone there's something else something more serious yeah i don't know there's something going on in that i think it's connected with the housekeeper i don't trust her look i need your help will you drive up here with me tomorrow morning good i'll pick you up to your place tonight [Music] he was very beautiful wasn't he mad marcel we met he was very handsome [Music] too bad he had to be so naive [Music] you think the mannequin will be coming home soon oh yes [Music] it fills my knees [Music] me [Music] [Applause] [Music] me [Music] the sunset and i was glad i was glad [Music] all right we are back yikes um that was pretty amazing guys um and i appreciate you guys picking that film um for us to show tonight because can you imagine being in high school and the teacher brings out a projector and shows this film and then you have to discuss it um yeah [Laughter] all right so the next film we have is uh mrs amworth and who's going to introduce i'm glad you asked yep because that's me so let's talk about miss amsworth mrs sam mrs amway so mrs amworth was directed by alan reichoff and was written for the screen by hugh whitemore and it tells the story of a small town that has been plagued with a mysterious blood disease that people are associating with gnats but is it something more sinister like vampires and what does it have to do with a woman named miss hamsworth this is hamworth sorry well it's so hard like i always get that wrong but it's based off of a short story by ef benson and even though i haven't read the story i uh i watched that short film and you guys are in for a real treat nice so william dineen was the dude who produced mrs ammorth and he was the founder of learning corporation of america or lca um and lca wanted to make educational films to be shown in classroom settings like the mannequin but they didn't want them created by academics or field specialists and instead wanted them created by people who were actually like in the film industry and so they recruited well-known actors entertainment writers and because lca was owned by columbia pictures uh william demean and like other producers were able to have the budget and the connections to make films like mrs amworth that were less like traditional educational films and more like actual films definitely and um miss amworth whoa sorry was written by ef benson it is a short story included in one of his um several like horror themed anthology books so he has five volumes of horror anthologies and they're called the collected spook stories um he was an english author and he mostly wrote short stories usually for like periodicals but he kind of collected all his works in these um like various volumes of books and he didn't have like a massive fan base but from what i researched he had like a very avid and like passionate fan base um as it was earlier mentioned these short stories were used for educational purposes because they are in the public domain they're able to be taught in classroom settings so miss amworth and the mannequin were both taught in classroom settings um with a teacher's guide called the classics dark and dangerous teachers guide and you can i tried to buy it on amazon but it's only available in the uk for some reason so i can't get it but i it's out there mysteriously um and the classic dark and dangerous also had a tv adaptation which it's unclear if the films we're watching for today are the same footage that they used in their tv like um anthology but it's basically like a really short series of only a couple episodes and it's just like you know filmed versions of these short stories that are um in this teacher's guide all right um so the the actor who plays uh mrs amworth is glennis johns of which some of you might recognize from mary poppins and also she sang the song send in the clowns so here is mrs amworth enjoy [Music] [Applause] me [Music] [Music] want to live [Music] jump in mind the bottles chevrolet for the party hold tight right off we go you all right dude well this is my necklace hello david i'm mrs amway hello how long are you staying just a week or so oh good we can do with someone your age to cheer us up far too many old men living here like your uncle oh thank you i'm only joking you're in your prime i know [Music] have you heard about our epidemic [Music] no it's a virus of some sort nobody seems to know what it is well this heat wave doesn't help things either it makes you feel so lifeless here we are all change see you this evening david will you i'm giving a party five o'clock don't be late [Music] well i'm glad you invited me uncle [Music] [Applause] [Music] this [Music] [Applause] you [Music] [Applause] [Laughter] [Music] well you look splendid am i doing this right just keep them turning that's the way make sure they're cooked all around if only your bishop could see you now david be a darling and help with the drinks the barman is awash with the van ordinaire mr green would you be kind and fetch the salad from the kitchen table the dressing is on top of the fridge keep them turning otherwise they'll burn [Music] come along baby we must circulate the infections still spreading these so-called emergency measures seem to have no effect whatsoever mr irkum this is a party not a post-mortem david give him another drink you've given us all a new lease of life how sweet of you major true i assure you this place was half dead before you arrived indeed you've given us a new spirit how lovely i mean she been here oh this is hamlet oh couple of months not more where'd she come from i've no idea she's british born i think much traveled well up she's very amusing very talkative herkim doesn't light up not true she's pleasant enough damn there's nothing david be careful they don't bite you your uncle thinks they're the cause of this virus yes he told me well here is dr ross he thinks they might be well don't you who knows everything all right thank you how much land have you got here about an acre i think and she does it all herself you know she worked so hard oh i love it there's nothing i enjoy more than grabbing about in the soil black hands black nails mud all over my shoes no cremation for me i want the good kind earth all around david you haven't met dr ross no my nephew david doctor doctor's a very busy man these days i gather it's something to do with these nets well so i believe they bite you see that's a trouble one bite and the poison seems to spread it's serious we're certainly more serious than i first thought we've had to go to london for specialists thank you no i have the smallest appetite major bits of trouble i'm just looking for some bread oh isn't it on the table well i don't see it here dear i must have left it in the kitchen i'll go shall i would you mind it's the french bread on the sideboard a very kind of a museum i think what happened something bit me you also cut your finger no it's nothing much put some antiseptic on it there's a bottle in the bathroom all right [Music] there we are mr welcome thank you very much are you taking blood samples from everyone everyone who's agreeable we can't make it compulsory i wish to god we could two more cases this morning that makes 23 and all what's the trouble any idea not yet no something's attacking the red pigment of the blood the hemoglobin and it's the hemoglobin that carries oxygen to the brain without it you're in real trouble you mean it's something like anemia initially yes the early symptoms are the same lassitude palpitations depression palla anema is usually treatable there course of injections of b12 and the patience is right as rain this is different hard to say for one thing b12 has no effect will you excuse me no lasting effect it's as if the hemoglobin in the body were being somehow well removed being drained away if you like strange isn't it it is indeed no i mean it's strange it's only here only in this one tiny village welcome again morning benson hi oh i'm fine but uh dave is not too well huh well i'm afraid we're gonna have to call off our golf this afternoon what's the matter with him oh too much wine last night i think he's still sleeping it up um [Music] it's better hello david hello mrs amith i brought you some flowers from my garden how you feeling i feel so so tired i don't know why i just can't keep my eyes open it will soon be better thank you come over to my house this evening and play some cards do you know pikas i'll teach you our game i believe yeah you're too good for us mrs amwood and nonsense you're doing very well another robot or piquet oh go on with bridget i can see why you came here mrs hamworth a canyon it's so peaceful and relaxing well more than that i belong here at least my family does oh i didn't know that well ancestors rather than family they all died here centuries ago what is their name justin yeah it's a fine old wilshire family how interesting it's very how's your uh hangover david fine i i just wish i didn't feel so tired you should have seen dr ross he got enough to do poor man more than enough indeed he has by the way did you go for your blood test this morning no i'm far too much of a coward i can't bear all those needles i think you should mrs amber it's important to know that we find out the cause of this infection i wonder if it is the nat well what else ah yes what else cut now look how can we none of us in the mood for any of your fanciful theories this evening fanciful theories that's what your uncle calls him he dabbles in the occult and beware a much misused word i'm afraid i prefer to regard it as an exploration of the furthermost frontiers of science i didn't know you were a scientist mr oakland and neither did i 15 years teaching physiology at oxford and you ought to know better you can't dismiss it as easily as that why not i've seen it time and time again men who've spent their lives serving science have eventually brought face to face with the greatest questions of all the unanswerable questions philosophical theological the supernatural if you like the occult call it what you will the misty and perilous places of human experience yes but what's all that got to do with us uh why don't you answer that tomorrow mr erkhum uh david's looking very tired quite right come on david time to get you home to bed ah the evening is so lovely i might take a little stroll before i turn in be careful of the gnats oh they don't bother me i'm not sweet enough good night mr jamis thank you mr zambra good night [Music] [Music] uh [Music] okay [Applause] [Music] where david how are you this morning david what's the matter i just don't know joshua i'd better fetch dr rush no no no i'm all right i'm just a bit [Music] are you sure nothing was stolen clutch your head no drugs or anything nope what were these used for blood samples that's the only thing that's missing the blood what do you mean these test tubes are full of blood samples now whoever broke in here last night empty the lot emptied the blood every drop of it when did you first notice that inflammation well this afternoon i suppose when i came back from the shops had you been out long oh no only about um 35 40 minutes well i'll come and see you tomorrow david just should try and get some sleep now have you told his parents yet no i can't uh they're in spain touring i i don't know how to get hold of them are you sure there is nothing i can do no no not really the b12 injection might help anyway give me a ring if he seems worse there is one thing what was that keep all the doors and windows locked what the nets you know [Music] [Music] [Music] so [Music] elizabeth chaston [Music] [Applause] [Music] there's another chest [Music] spencer hansen good morning good morning look at this i found something how's david oh he's fine what we found i've been going through the old parish records it was a mysterious play here in the 1640s here in this village only here a strange disease of the blood witchcraft they call it witchcraft everything was witchcraft in those days a local girl was suspected tongues wagged nothing was ever proved she died shortly afterwards her name was elizabeth chaston [Music] hello how's david this morning i brought you some truth is anything that matters i don't understand [Applause] [Music] yet o lord god most holy o lord most mighty o holy and most merciful savior deliver us not into the bitter pains of eternal death thou knoweth lord the secrets of our hearts i have to god you are right here to our prayer but spare us lord most holy oh god most mighty o holy and merciful savior thou most worthy judge eternal life [Music] [Music] [Applause] well good night mr reckon good night david i'm glad to see you looking so much better it's taken long enough yeah you have been very hilly now the rest has done me good i've never felt better he's really on saturday so yeah i'll be sorry to see you go david i'll decide to leave especially now those nats have gone yes things are getting back to normal thank god back tomorrow not the same without mrs ambrose though no a remarkable woman i'm very glad to have known her oh goodnight mr eckham goodnight david i'll see you before i go yes indeed bye you know he still talks about her and it's down nearly two months after all i feel so guilty why well i still wonder about her time to say good night i think it's been a most enjoyable evening goodnight david david [Applause] [Music] go in the name of god [Music] two [Music] [Music] i see them let's see them [Music] [Music] [Music] you'll be here at dawn how do you know a feeling a little knowledge call her mrs amworth elizabeth chaston whatever you choose one thing is certain the vampire haunts this village tonight as it did 300 years ago [Music] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Applause] [Music] [Music] come on benson [Music] so [Music] [Music] [Music] one blow through the heart with this and she'll be at peace [Music] ah [Music] [Music] yes but who would have believed me [Music] that one was another lulu wow so great again uh amazing that this was shown in schools uh and also on uh canadian television it's uh it's really great um all right so we have one last film and this is what i call an after dinner mint um and i made the students pick this one because i love it so much this is dirt witch cleans up who wants to talk about it that's me um hello everyone uh and skip before i say more thank you so much for providing us this opportunity to screen these um special films uh and to dr marcia gordon thank you for bringing us to skip and to everyone out there thank you for for attending this one is super short so um i think it's like only seven minutes long so hang out with us a little bit longer and you'll see why skip calls this film his his ringer i think the stakes are a lot lower um because this film is the dirt which she cleans up it was actually made for elementary school um children and kids uh by a company called the encyclopedia britannica educational corporation um which is outside of chicago illinois um it was in 1971 that this was made and it was part of a series called the joy of growing up or sorry not growing up but just growing the joy of growing so even a little a little vague there but um along with the dirt which cleans up which is a health health short there were three other health shorts they were called i care fantasy germs and the space visitors as well as something called toothache of the clown which i made uh skip upload for me to to see and it was just as wonderful as this one we're about to show um there were a few safety ones there were only three uh as opposed to the four health ones uh those were called playground spirits the helpful burglars and the traffic um let's see a little bit more about encyclopedia britannica films also named eb films for short um they were the top producer of the at the time for a long time and distributor of educational millimeter films like these and later vhs video cassettes for schools and libraries from the 1940s through the 1990s by which the internet replaced video as a primary source for educational media the dirt which cleans up was directed by someone called paul ferrara who was uh famously uh part of the inner circle of the rock band the doors um he actually got his start uh with with the band by photographing jim morrison's girlfriend at the time and uh jim morrison invited him into um the group so to speak uh he he made two films in 69 and 70. they were experimental documentaries that had to do with the band this one was 1971 and so as far as i could find this was uh paul ferrara's last go and um i think that's all i have to say about the dirt which cleans up i really don't want to spoil anything because it's a lot to take in but again i should say that um this was directed towards super young kids so a little less scary a little less mature than the other ones even but there are like actual lessons being taught here it's not so plot heavy or mood or tone focused um there's a lesson to be learned from the dirt which cleans up so without further ado thank you skip again and take it away please and i would say that this could be as scary as the two previous films depending on how old you are and how you feel about witches so here's dirt which cleans up [Music] [Music] [Music] banished from the earth is condemned to roam the universe a different ocean destiny and turn it in reverse night will be day and day will be night right will be wrong and wrong will be right the spotless and the clean i'll make them change before your site [Music] all right let's go you were there [Applause] pig's so dirty i don't see why i got to be the one to feed you million things i could do i'd rather be doing cleaning up your mess [Laughter] [Music] hmm [Music] dirty i am and dirty you'll be and then you'll see [Music] i saw what you did [Music] no one has ever seen me before you didn't have to do what you just did i i never wanted to be different and dirty and a dirty old witch i never wanted to be maybe maybe you could help me would you help me please please help me if that's all you want it sure oh no are you sure yes i'm sure i think i think it will hurt no um i do it all the time does your mother say it oh i hate it right now we've got to clean your fingernails with this brush [Music] this is how you clean your hands [Music] cozy's [Music] this is how you do your ear now let's do your mouth we have to do all these things to make you good and clean take a look in the mirror and you please is this really me sure it takes one back to make it look like this [Music] [Music] all right um that was quite something um so i kind of put it out to the comments on the different um things on the on youtube and facebook uh to see if anybody had questions but um [Music] i have questions for uh my grad students who are here um so do you think these films are effective in purporting to teach what they're teaching i i feel like they are like they seem wildly inappropriate but they are also like super over the top and exaggerated like in their effects like if you want to teach about special effects watching like an anthropomorphic demon child emerge from a woman's back is a great way to teach that and yeah so i think there's they're pretty effective in some respects i also think they're respected um it's excuse me effective in their respects um i just maybe it's just like the collection that we decided to look at tonight i'm a little concerned with the way women are portrayed in the films um as being out of control and dangerous and problematic and i don't know if that's a sign of the times but i think coding these films is educational with that consistent discrimination seems kind of inappropriate but i don't know if that if any of y'all feel the same way but yeah the fact that they were at least the mannequin and mrs amwer along with says here the island was a part of literally something called three dangerous ladies um and the larger umbrella is classics dark and dangerous i mean even with the dirt which cleans up um this is these like smaller films are part of these larger narratives or concepts or maybe even units um but it's a good question i i wonder uh if if i were to be like a little kid in this class whether or not i'd have to watch all of the the joy of growing series or an older student watch all of the classics dark and dangerous on short films to to take away some some larger larger lesson to be learned yeah anybody else uh yes so my class in tennessee we actually watched um one of these not from the classics dark and dangerous but we watched um something about the monkeys paw when i was in like seventh grade and to my knowledge these like movies are shown primarily to like middle schoolers um so you know like we're watching it we're like oh it's creepy but i like i'm thinking about it i'm like man i watch stuff like this in seventh grade with my english teacher so it was just like um and it's so funny because i don't even remember her like being like these are the camera techniques she was like isn't that weird what a crazy story and i'm like great thank you i'll definitely keep that with me but yeah so i i guess um kind of going to like what tara joe said like i i i don't remember us having these like larger like conversations about what the maybe social or societal aspects of the actual stories were we were kind of just like i remember we read the short story we read monkey pop or the monkey's paw and then like the next day she's like we're gonna watch the movie and that story is um creepy in a different way but i mean it involves like a a reanimated dead sun so it's not like the most like kid-friendly film but you know that's just something we did so um and monkeys paul was on the list uh that you guys had to choose from so um that that would have been a potential so when you watch this in tennessee what did the teacher do after they after um they showed you the video did did you have a discussion about that comparing and contrasting or how did how did that work we were watching it as part of like um studying different forms of like creative writing so we were specifically looking at um like scary stories basically and i don't remember watching films for the other stories we read but we watched the monkey's paw um i think because maybe it was the only one with like a film that went with the story but yeah we were she wanted to talk about like larger moral lessons that maybe we got out of the film like i think specifically with that movie a lot of the like moral lesson is like you know you got to be careful what you wish for so you know that was like our big takeaway for the week i was like don't mess with stuff be careful but yeah awesome if i can say something um yeah i think it becomes especially interesting to see these moral lessons placed into conversation with who they're being taught to or who is meaning to to learn from them in particular which like kind of ties together a lot of those points i feel like it can get easy to get lost in the strangeness of films like these but i mean even like the special effects of something coming out of someone's back whose back is it coming out of it's coming out of a woman's bag in a sort of birth or like yeah two of these end with a sort of destruction of the woman's body and then it's interesting how dirt which ends with the woman's body still attacked but she had to get clean to get there or she had to like transform in some way so i think like it's especially interesting to think about these films in an educational like teaching a lesson lens but also um yeah teaching a lesson like who is it teaching a lesson to in particular and in this case it feels like towards women excellent um so do you think that this these films stand alone just on entertainment value alone like the first two films especially yeah they were incredibly entertaining i enjoyed watching them very much how about y'all my favorite was honestly dirt which cleans up like this the music and the soundtrack was so good and the images were so delightful like watching like a very light-hearted soap commercial yeah it was great but like weirdly dystopian and again like the manipulation of a woman's body in a weird really weird way it was really cool the bubbles in the bath were insane yeah sorry no go ahead somebody wants to know if somebody's dressed up as wednesday from the addams family i am wearing her dress nice that's where the similarities end unfortunately though she is iconic well you get credit for dressing up um i kind of put it out there hoping that people are gonna dress up and uh so kudos um any other notes or things you observations about the films and those observations could be like dude why did you have us show those films no i thought the um the larger exterior shots of mrs hamworth were were great um i don't know where that was filmed but this is a uh canadian production company and were we in the uk at all i forget definitely some accents going on but and i guess there's the element of the short story being like the blueprint for this story but um i also to your question about whether or not these stand alone or they have like cinematic value like the the extended or the the delayed title sequence of that one was was really great especially with the the larger shot of the building in the background so yeah and and the thing about these films are i think they made it to vhs and they were distributed mostly to educational markets but they didn't really get a consumer distribution so these are films um that are pretty much lost like they don't get really shown anymore um you wouldn't be able to buy them on amazon although maybe somebody can find one on amazon but they were they were not really meant for consumer use and they don't so there there's these amazing works um that are just kind of sitting there yeah one of the things i found um while looking up uh stuff about mrs amworth was that these vhs's were distributed to schools but there's no record of what schools they went to and so people literally couldn't find them even if they tried if somebody comes across the vhs of mrs answer amworth that's totally by chance right right like they'd probably get sent to libraries as well and that's where these films actually came from north carolina's cultural resource library so you used to be able to check these out at your local public library and then you would get a 16 millimeter projector and you could show them at your house or at your group uh so you know these films were with the satanist giving birth to a baby monster they were shown at local school groups and uh things like that um so here's one final question do we think that there's a parallel to these films nowadays that are being shown to schools um you said that you saw monkey's paw when you were in middle school do you think that there's something that's being shown now that does the same fulfills the same purpose anybody bueller uh did they still show the magic school bus in elementary schools because that teaches a whole bunch of stuff right yes i think they do i don't know i mean obviously i've not been in that in that situation a long time but yeah video is still being shown um a few of us are taking a seminar on the twilight zone right now and i watched that's what we saw in middle school even though that show was long before i was born um but that's what our teacher who loved the twilight zone would show us because i think the lessons a lot of the or a lot of the um hidden ideas or themes are still pertinent today and we're learning that in our twilight zone class and i i just was making a lot of similarities to that show and i imagine i don't know if that show is being shown to middle schoolers now but with the reboot or remake or jordan heels adaptation of it i think it might be and so yeah i feel like it'd be weird if these films were taught in class today but they could be or something like that so some other people have been chiming in on the on the uh comments uh someone said that uh mrs uh ain't worth was um produced by htv bristol uk so that would have actually been in the uk um and somebody else said suggested another title which maybe some of you have seen which i also have on film which is uh occurrence at owl creek bridge that ambrose beerus um short story anybody remember that it's about the confederate soldier that's being about to be hung and escapes is that ringing a bell the twilight zone episode that's the title of the twilight zone right is that the one with seen stockwell in it um i can't remember but i i i do recall what you're mentioning well the one and so here's some debate about that like there is a one but it was italian made but it's featuring it looks like it's shot in the united states but it's actually all italians um but the guy looks a little like dean stockwell so that's another great film excellent so um we ran over a little bit but i appreciate you guys uh doing this doing all the work and the research uh i had no idea paul ferreira had a close association with the doors but it makes a little sense now that you you say it and um so thank you guys so much uh jason are you around i'm uh yeah i try i'm trying to make myself look as scary as possible the disembodied head of jason are you still yeah yeah you know um so anyway thank you everybody it was this was great uh what a fun collection of films that we don't often uh get to see narrative films like that in this event so thanks for picking those that was awesome um so everybody uh again i want to thanks i want to thank uh all of the grad students skip the av geeks team um and everyone for watching uh our last show of this semester um as a reminder visit avgeeks.com for more info about what av geeks is to check out more uh films uh remember if you are an nc state person you can borrow these compilations from the library um we have not yet planned our next show and given that we all keep getting emails about what next semester is going to look like um you'll see soon when we'll be back on the proverbial horse uh doing more av gigs at the libraries but until then um you know have a have a great couple of months tune in when we're back um and uh remember you can watch this and all of our previous virtual episodes at liberty.ncsu.edu and just search av geeks and you will find it so thanks everybody thank you thanks thank you thank you thanks you skip thank you dr gordon thank you everyone at the hunt library we really appreciate this this was a an amazing learning opportunity for us all right everybody have a good uh oh wait i cut somebody off i'm sorry did i cut somebody off all right now i am cutting somebody off all right 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